A Stubborn Man
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I was always very stubborn. Like young children, each time they get
up in the morning it is not important to them what happened the
previous day, just that they are going to play again. I believe I
am like that. I was always convinced I had something to say, I was
prepared to say it, and was going to keep on saying it until I
finally found someone who would listen to what I had to say and then
this person would pass it on to others. It is being eternally young
beyond all mistakes and objections. It causes one to want to
continue forward with the same thing.
In 1995 [editor's note: he won in 1994], Cura won the Operalia singing contest,
presided over by Plácido Domingo, and quickly became one of the most
prestigious tenors in the world, especially praised for his
interpretive qualities. A year later, he made his début in the role
of Samson at the Royal Opera House in London, a role that he
continues to perform and for which he received the Orphée d’Or
and Echo Klassik awards.
- What is important for you to interpreting
Samson et Dalila?
- One of the things in regards to this opera
is its use of force. Some fifteen hundred years before Christ there
was killing in the name of God, and 3500 years later, it is the same
thing. Humans still do not have the courage to take
responsibilities for their mistakes or their successes. If we need
to kill, the fault is with the other, and if we use God, so much the
better because no one can complain or say anything.
- And personally?
- This opera has a special aura because it
has been with me practically throughout my career. I have it very
well done, very well chewed, very studied, and very sung. The
character is the same in all works, the equation is different.
Every performance is like an act of love, a sexual act, and it is
the audience who is your partner at this moment. And you have to
ask yourself, “How much do I give to the artist?” The difference
between an audience who succumbs to the artist and one that does not
is enormous. It is like making love to a plastic doll.
- How do you prepare for your roles?
- The voice functions like the face of a
model. When you are going to do a photography shoot, you have to
treat yourself to more sleep so that you have the least ‘wrinkles’
possible. And on the day of a performance, if a singer tries to
rest everything so the voice can be as fresh as possible, that is
ideal.
- Why did you decide to live in Europe?
- I like Madrid, we have a most beautiful
house where I am able to have all the things I want in my life,
achieve all my whims.
- Do you have the tastes of a divo,
eccentricities?
- Eccentricities, none. But, yes, I give
myself the things that I want. I have a wine cellar in my home,
with a pile of wine I have collected. I have a pool, a gymnasium,
the things that we have always wanted in the way we like most.
Cura confesses that when he is alone in the
house he enjoys silence and he never sings in the shower. He
prefers to shop, to cook, and to taste wine.
- And you also like photography?
- Yes, I love it, and we are now negotiating
the release of my first book of photographs with a Swiss publisher.
I like news-photography, not posed photos, and take to the streets
with my camera to collect the testimony of the entire world. I grab
hold of my camera and get lost. I have ended up in some screwed up
neighborhoods and more than once have had to be removed from
complicated situations. I love to know the true face of a town.
- Opera is often considered to be of the
elite. Is this something that bothers you?
- It is always spoken of as elite, but
anywhere in the world the ticket price to listen to an opera costs
less that the cost of tickets to the [sports] field. For many years
there was a tendency: people who liked classical music wanted to
feel exclusive, but that is stupid because the composers wrote the
music for everyone. They were simple people, but not easy people.
They were geniuses because they were simple, and this trend to deify
them became fashionable at the beginning of the twentieth century,
when these divisions were created for the purpose for with which all
divisions are created: “Divide and you will rule.’ When in fact
there is only good music and bad music. There is boring classical
music and brilliant popular music.
Why opera and ballet together?
Pagliacci is a short opera and, to avoid doing it with
another short piece, we decided to go for something different, to try a new
experiment. From the beginning the idea was to have a sort of Hamlet-like
situation where first the toys (puppets) perform the comedy and then the
real actors perform the comedy.
First I wanted to do the pantomime on Pagliacci’s
music, making a special arrangement for the pantomime, but it was too
serious and the toys were not appropriate for this kind of music. Then, we
decided to use Respighi and Rossini because the music is very light and, in
that sense, the moment where the toys are dancing the pantomime is more
innocent: toys are really dancing and then they discover the human feelings
of love and hate, become real human beings and the music becomes realistic
and dramatic.
Why Pagliacci? Was there any special reason to do
that?
The organizers of “The Rijeka Summer Nights" offered it
to me. They asked me if I wanted to do it and I immediately starting to
develop the dramaturgy. Instead of only one hour and ten minutes of music
this version has two hours of music with the same leitmotiv as Pagliacci.
Why did you decide to perform in Rijeka again?
Last year's concert was a great success. I came in, did
the rehearsal and the concert and left. This year I have the opportunity to
stay a bit longer and meet the people and the city they live in as well as
the ensemble I am going to work with again.
What do you think about the orchestra?
The company, the orchestra and the choir are very
professional, all the technicians are always doing their best, and sometimes
they stay late or come early. We are functioning as real company, because we
are all together working to accomplish a common goal. All of that you can
see and feel in Pagliacci, it is a company of clowns working together.
Is this yours first time as director?
I have already done some little pieces but this is the
first time I am directing a complete opera, a complete show that, on top, is
not only an opera but a whole concept which I have created from the start.
At the beginning there is a monologue, as in fairy tales, where you find out
what happened to these toys when they discover that they have feelings and
become real human beings. When this happens, kids stop playing with them,
they are not treated like toys but, all of a sudden, they are treated like
real people. So they need to find the way of earning their living to
survive. That is why they decide to create a company of "pagliacci" to go
around working as "pagliacci" for living.
When did you get this kind of idea, earlier or just
thinking of Pagliacci for this project in Rijeka?
I never thought about it until I was invited to do this
in Rijeka. In the first meeting I had with Mani Gotovac and Nada Matoševic,
I told them my concept. Together we went through my ideas, they told me what
was possible to do and what was not, but they both agreed with the idea of
having all three parts of this theatre drama, opera and ballet together in
this project.
Nice, but you are also working on the set design for
this show and we know that you are familiar with graphic design,
photography. Is this your first set design?
No, it is not the first. Soon I am going to do Ballo in
Cologne as a director and set designer. I already did scenes for that
production.
When I decided to do the set design in Rijeka, I didn't
want a real set. I just wanted the whole theatre open, like in a hall. The
play starts in a school, the war has just finished (it could be any war that
happened anywhere). People were poor. They had no money to buy pencils,
books, toys, all the people in this town brought to the school what they had
at home. That's why I don't need a set, we just need a room and the stage is
a room.
Yesterday I told the electricians not to worry about
covering the lights because I want to be able to see everything.
Mentioning war, I read that in early days when you
were young you also composed operas for children and some requiems for the
Falklands. From whom did you inherit all those talents?
I was educated as composer and conductor. I began to
sing at the age of 29 and since then I haven't had time to compose. When I
was young I also started to act. When I started to sign I connected all
these elements and developed the complete picture of myself. Later, I
started to study design, set design.
You started to conduct at the age of 15, was it
before the training?
I started to train when I was 12. That is not an
unusual thing to do at that age - you have famous conductor Daniel Barenboim
who started to conduct at the age of 11! In the art there are no rules: you
just get there when you get there. Of course when I was 15 I didn't conduct
Mahler, but some baroque music like Handel, small pieces. Little by little I
started to conduct larger ones.
You recorded Rachmaninov with the Varsovia
Orchestra. But there is also an interesting and sad story that is behind
your decision to that piece…
Yes, it is really sweet and sad story. When I was
appointed as conductor of the Sinfonia Varsovia, I had a friend who lived in
Madrid. His name was Gacia-Navarro. He also was a conductor and was like a
brother to me. I was going to tell him the news of my engagement but instead
I got the message that he had died 3 days before. I never got the chance to
tell him the good news, never got the chance to ask him for some advice or
ask him for some training...Because I already had engagements I wasn't able
to be at his funeral. So, when I returned to the Orchestra, they asked me
what I wanted to conduct in the first concert. I answered them that I wanted
to do something that they had never played before. In the meanwhile I went
back to Madrid and visited Navarro's family. There, I asked his wife if I
could look through his library. Everything looked neatly placed except one
score: Rachmaninov second symphony. I figured out what message my friend was
sending me. The performance of that symphony was a great success not only in
Poland, Vienna, Sweden and Portugal, we also recorded it and it was very
well received by the international reviews because we had very fresh tempo
and Slavic approach, not simply romantic.
You own a record company, Cuibar Phono Video, which
recorded your performance with Sinfonia Varsovia…
This is the story that is connected with Rachmaninov.
We wanted to record the concert but not as commercial one but as a souvenir.
We wanted to have a recording of our first work together.
When we heard the recording we liked it, it was a very
good performance. We decided to publish it-it would be a pity not to publish
it! So we started to ask information on how to publish a new recording. We
got to know that we had to have a legal label. So, in the beginning, we
created the label only to be able to publish Rachmaninov. Later we changed
the label a bit and we recorded Aurora, which was also a great
success, then Dvorak's symphony and his Love songs, and now we are
negotiating with one big international record company to do joint venture
for future recordings.
What do you have in mind for future recording?
I don't know. Right now I have a special project: I am
recording chamber music; just piano and voice of everywhere in the world,
different style, different languages and only my voice. That's a dream I
have and I would like to make it work! I have to start recording now and
maybe keep recording for 6 or 7 years because it's a lots of repertoire.
When you learn new parts, how do you study them?
When I learn new piece I normally study alone. And when
I have learned it thoroughly, only then, I start to work with the conductor
who is going to conduct it directly. We start to discuss it together,
finding colours and creating the roles together, I normally don't work with
a repetiteur because I know to play the piano.
And now something different: you said that you are
feeling wonderful in the Theatre. Are you staying in the hotel or in the
apartment?
Unfortunately in a hotel. Not because I don't like
hotels, we are in the very nice and beautiful hotel here, but because we are
working at any time of the day, from early morning till late evening, so it
is very difficult to find a restaurant to eat at that time. When you live in
apartment you can easily prepare something to eat.
Do you like to cook?
Yes, I like cooking. I think every artist likes to
cook.
Where do you go on your holidays?
My holidays are very complicated to negotiate with my
family; because I am always traveling I want to spend my holidays at home
but my wife and kids, that always stay at home, want to travel. So it is
really difficult to negotiate this, but we find a compromise: we travel 15
days and spend 15 days at home.
How many children do you have?
Three, 2 boys and 1 girl - 19, 14, 11. We live in
Madrid because it is great city, the weather is wonderful, the people are
very nice, it is a very sunny country in central Europe where I am very
comfortable and where they speak my language.
Do you work in Madrid or not?
No, never. I have the theory that it's better not to
work too much in the city that you live, because in the city you are living
you can be anonymous. You can walk and feel free to do whatever you want to
do.
Is your wife your manager?
We have a company and she is the chief accountant: it's
her profession.
What do you do in your free time? Do you practice
any sport?
Well I try to practice as much as I can. It's difficult
to practice any sport when you are moving all the time, but I do some gym,
paddle tennis or even kung-fu.
How you keep your voice in good condition?
Well in this period, while I am working here, I am
speaking a lot and you can hear that my voice is a bit tired.
What do you think is easier to keep: a male or a
female voice rested?
I really don't know. Baritone and bass sing in the
normal position, tenor is artificial. The first part of the voice of the
tenor is normal and the second part is artificial. It is a very delicate
voice to work with.
Have you seen any place apart from Rijeka?
I visited Opatija last year when I came for the
concert. And now I am looking forward tomorrow, since I have the first free
day in this long period and maybe we'll go to Opatija or somewhere else.
Last summer you were awarded the prize from
Novi List. Did you get it and where did you put it?